Supernatural can poke fun at itself, its writers and fans without being mean.
I couldn't disagree more. Supernatural's treatment of its fans is what ultimately killed my love for it.

I'm not emotionally invested in Torchwood, having only seen a few episodes, so my POV is biased. I find RTD arrogant, but I believe in his vision for his show more than I believe in Kripke's.

Cleaning sucks!